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       <ntalia> 
        aye ma'am.    
        <ntalia> i would like to hold off on the discussion until 
        MsD shows up since this discussion was her idea, but the first question 
        i'd like to bring up is what things do you have in your cupboards at home 
        that most people wouldn't recognize as sex toys but are....  
         
        <ntalia> but if you could start thinking of that....  
         
        <Nymph> oh that one is fairly easy, ....  
         
        <ntalia> we were talking earlier in here about phone/net 
        sex and what things a Dom/me might instruct someone to get while playing 
        at a distance.   
        <ntalia> i just proposed the questions - what do you 
        have aroudn the house that isn't normally considered a sex toy, and what 
        things in  particular whose use could be commanded by a Dom/me involved 
        in phone/net sex   
        <ntalia> some of the ideas i came up with earlier were 
        emery boards, steel wool, bobby pins, clothes pins, blistex,   
         
        <MsDMeanr> nail brushes   
        <MsDMeanr> mmmmm icy hot. . clothes pins  
         
        <MsDMeanr> shoelaces!!!!!!!!!   
        <MsDMeanr> (gotta love the helicopter thang!)  
         
        <ntalia> i like the icy hot idea.   
        <fae{NR}> Ice Cubes   
        * MsDMeanr smiles   
        <ntalia> crushed ice too.    
        <fae{NR}> and ice packs/sports packs   
        <MsDMeanr> what is the difference in sensation?   
         
        <ntalia> one is sharp to begin with   
        <MsDMeanr> ahhhh got it   
        * MsDMeanr nods   
        <MsDMeanr> that makes sense   
        <ntalia> also one is more moldable.   
        <MsDMeanr> moldable?   
        <MsDMeanr> ah, the crushed ice?   
        * MsDMeanr smiles   
        <MsDMeanr> I get it   
        <ntalia> can be shaped....yes,   
        <fae{NR}> Can also place things in the freezer for a 
        time, like spoons (not too long though!, maybe only the fridge)  
         
        <MsDMeanr> oooooooh! I like that. . .what about knives 
        and such   
        <MsDMeanr> for scraping off the wax   
        <ntalia> mmmmmm.....scraping wax. :)   
        * MsDMeanr laughs and nods   
        <MsDMeanr> so what is your favorite "Home made" toy?  
         
        <MsDMeanr> using things you find around the house?  
         
        <ntalia> i liked Master's good leather belts and the 
        silk cords he bought for me.   
        <MsDMeanr> What is the one thing you need to make phone/cyber 
        good for you? (your hand does not count! <smirk>)   
        <mist`> a partner w/ an imagination~   
        <Amax> Imagination...   
        <fae{NR}> creativity    
        <fae{NR}> plus the person giving the domination giving 
        a whole role playing scene where you do to yourself what s/he says they're 
        doing to you, basically building a whole fantasy   
        <MsDMeanr> so you think that it is important to follow 
        through on your end with what the dominant is saying to do, fae?  
         
        <NoirRose> If you don't, it seems a bit pointless to 
        me.   
        <fae{NR}> yes, and to let your imagination take you past 
        the words as well   
        * MsDMeanr nods   
        <MsDMeanr> I agree, Noir Rose   
        <mist`> you need a very active imagination though too  
         
        * NoirRose nods   
        <MsDMeanr> so, How does a dominant know that these things 
        are being done? (or does it matter as long as said dominant gets his/her 
        fantasy moments in ?)   
        <mist`> it is one thing I have not ever gotten into or 
        been able too..*you need to be able to let yourself loose or go*  
         
        <fae{NR}> i'd hazzard saying very good on one side and 
        mediocre on the other for minimum...both having would be the best  
         
        <mist`> are we talking on irc or on the phone DMeanr?  
         
        <MsDMeanr> mmmmmm one each, mist. . .first irc. . then 
        individually   
        <fae{NR}> Well, the dominant can (on phone) listend for 
        the various things such as what they said to be done   
        * MsDMeanr nods to fae   
        <MsDMeanr> aye, tis true on the phone.   
        <fae{NR}> as far as irc, you just have to trust  
         
        <mist`> right but if it is irc....trust is all you can 
        do   
        <MsDMeanr> or quick cams!   
        <mist`> I guess to me it is whether someone actually 
        gets satisfaction from it or not   
        * MsDMeanr nods   
        <MsDMeanr> aye, mist. . .that is true.   
        <mist`> if they do...then that is great...if they do 
        not..as NoirRose said....what is the point?   
        <MsDMeanr> mmmmmm well. . .naphi and I were trying to 
        come up with a shopping list today for just such a phone event!  
         
        <MsDMeanr> any ideas?   
        <MsDMeanr> (KMart. . grocery store)   
        <MsDMeanr> :)   
        <NoirRose> Hmmm   
        * MsDMeanr laughs   
        <MsDMeanr> we came up with tracing wheel. . .emery board. 
        . .nail brush. . .mmmm candles. . .paint stirring stick. . .<grin>  
         
        <mist`> sounds like fun   
        <ntalia> i like the emery boards over nipples.  
         
        <AlstrBlck> rubber bands,   
        <AlstrBlck> paper clips   
        <ntalia> actually rather than rubber bands, i like the 
        elastic hair ties.   
        <AlstrBlck> owww for which one, talia?   
        <ntalia> they have the little metal aglet that adds a 
        nice bite, but they don't tear the skin.   
        <ntalia> mousetrap syr.   
        <AlstrBlck> any of you see those big clips you can get, 
        to hold a bag of chips shut?   
        <Amax> Interesting....   
        <ntalia> i like bungee cords and velcro just cause.  
         
        <AlstrBlck> one of those. If the sub is well-endowed, 
        you can clip both nipples with one clip. ;}   
        <AlstrBlck> And I don't even have to mention the labia, 
        do I?   
        <ntalia> no syr, i'd really rather you didn't  
         
        <ntalia> heh!   
        <ntalia> just kidding.   
        <AlstrBlck> pepper....   
        <ntalia> oh, and Master used to like smallish pantene 
        shampoo bottles.   
        <ntalia> and german wine bottles - they tend to have 
        long tapered necks.   
        <AlstrBlck> it's amazing what one can find out about 
        a person... ;}   
        <ntalia> indeed.   
        <MsDMeanr> pepper sauce!   
        <ntalia> cayenne pepper. :)   
        <AlstrBlck> I mentioned pepper a minute ago.  
         
        <NoirRose> Icy Hot   
        <MsDMeanr> I hear that tiger balm is worse than icy hot?  
         
        <MsDMeanr> hotter?   
        <MsDMeanr> is this true?   
        <ntalia> i don't know.   
        <AlstrBlck> I want some, regardless.   
        <AlstrBlck> needles.   
        <fae{NR}> i'm pretty sure due to some people i've been 
        chatting with here   
        <MsDMeanr> OOOH! temp. piercings?!   
        <MsDMeanr> I did my first temps a couple weeks ago! fun!  
         
        <AlstrBlck> temp. or perm.   
        <fae{NR}> i know that capsican (?) is definately hotter  
         
        <MsDMeanr> capascian?   
        <MsDMeanr> oooh kewl! I will try it!   
        <AlstrBlck> if you want to be a true sadistic person, 
        use the juices of habanero peppers. They use it to make mace.  
         
        <fae{NR}> very much hotter in my wimpy opinion  
         
        <AlstrBlck> it can burn the skin.   
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