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Description of group:

This is an open forum created solely for submissives/slaves/bottoms as a place to find support, answers to questions, and a safe, friendly environment in which to share information with one another. (Open forum means all opinions, lifestyle choices, sexual orientation etc are allowed here. Members must be approved to join) New sbuscribers are moderated until their first post. Moderated status is removed if the first post meets list rules. This is to prevent spam, viruses, dominants etc.

Those who are new to the lifestyle, are welcome here.

Dominants are not allowed on this list. If you are a dominant, please respect our wish to have a place solely for submissives/slaves/bottoms, thank you. List mail is not allowed to be viewed by anyone who is not on the list, that includes dominants and forwarding to anyone. Further information is available at the web site and in the rules document.

This list is for adults only of whatever the legal age of consent is in your area. By subscribing to the list you certify that you are of legal age of consent in your area, aware this list contains adult language and content, may contain materials some may find offensive, deals with a specific alternative lifestyle and that you are consenting to view such material of your own choice.

Copy of list rules and welcome e-mail:

Welcome to the sub_den mailing list. This is a forum created solely for submissives/slaves/bottoms/switches (subs in rest of document for ease of reading) as a place to find support, answers to questions, and a safe, friendly environment in which to share information with one another. Those who are new to the lifestyle are welcome here. This list is an open forum; which means all opinions, orientations, genders etc are allowed here and some off topic posts will be accepted. For full members: this list is NOT moderated and means a moderator does not view those posts first. However, new subscribers are moderated until their first post meets list rules, then the post is approved and they become full members with all posting privileges. Please save this email for future reference regarding list rules and expected etiquette.

The list owner is Raven Shadowborne (raven{Az}). If you have any questions or comments please feel free to email me privately at ravenshad@knology.net; webmaster@leatherNroses.com; sub_den-owner@yahoogroups.com or all the moderators at sub_den-mod@yahoogroups.com

The rules for this list are as follows:
1: No flaming will be tolerated. This is an open forum for the exchange of ideas, thoughts and experiences as they affect subs. If you do not agree with one person's ideas you can comment about the idea, but not about the person stating the ideas. Those who flame will be warned. If the flaming continues they will have posting privileges suspended or be removed from the list (moderator discretion).

2: Off topic posts will be tolerated but if it breaks into an argument you will be asked to take it privately. Jokes are allowed, everyone can use a good laugh.

3: The extent of one's experience in the lifestyle does not matter here. Those who are new are as welcome as those who have some experience or lots of experience. We can all learn from one another.

4: Please be polite in your posts to the list. All posts are copywrited to the original owners, per US Copyright Law. http://www.copyright.gov/ They may not be forwarded to anyone off the list, nor published in any manner without the consent of the original author. If you are found to be forwarding e-mail from this list, or posting it on other areas, without permission you will be removed from the list and banned. Emails on the list cannot be viewed by anyone who is not on the list; this includes one's partner. This rule is to protect the privacy of all list members. You can, of course, share any email of which you are the author, but emails written by other members are not your property and thus are not under the control of your partner. Do not share list mail without permission of the authors.

5: Please do not post private email to the list without permission from the author.

6: This list is for adults only of whatever the legal age of consent is in your area. By subscribing to the list you certify that you are of legal age of consent in your area, aware this list contains adult language and content, may contain materials some may find offensive, deals with a specific alternative lifestyle and that you are consenting to view such material of your own choice.

7: Trolling is the advertising of yourself in order to attract a partner, or to post an advertisement specifically tailored to finding a partner. This is not allowed here. This is a discussion list, not a dating service. For a listing of web sites and lists that allow personal ads go to http://www.leatherNroses.com/links/personalslinks.htm

8: This list is for subs/slaves/bottoms/switches. If you are a dom/top (male or female) please respect our wish to have a place where we can get support from fellow subs/slaves/switches/bottoms and do not join this list. Doms are not allowed on this list as it is geared solely towards submissives/slaves/bottoms and if one is found to be on the list they will be removed and banned. If a dominant is found to have joined this list strictly to email prospective submissives, they will be removed, banned, and complaints will be filed with their ISP and yahoo.

9. Moderated status is used to stop a flame war in progress, prevent spam and such from getting to the list by new subscribers, and to enforce the rules on those who break them repeatedly. New subscribers are moderated when they first join. A moderator previews their first post and if it meets the list rules it is approved and the new member is removed from moderated status and can post freely. If a member is placed on moderated status they are informed of it being done and exactly why and it follows a warning requesting they stop the unwanted posting behavior first. If the posting behavior continues, moderation can be used as can removing the member. (Moderators choice)

10. The members list is restricted so that only moderators can view it. This is to protect list members from receiving unwanted emails by anyone that joins the list just to gather email addresses. This will not prevent all such incidences because email addresses do appear on posts, but it will slow them down. Gives less chance of a lurker getting such emails.

Guidelines for Posting are as follows:
The following guidelines are basic common sense, and are usually unspoken rules on many mailing lists. I have stated them here, as it seems not everyone is aware of them. These are ways to help cut down the superfluous emails coming through the list. They are not meant to stop every off topic post, nor do I expect them to. But they should help ease the overcrowding mailbox problems a bit. Please try to remember that anything you post can generate a response from anyone else on the list and depending on the number of subscribers, that can be a large number of emails (Example: 400 members..possible to get 400 separate responses to a single email). These are guidelines and not meant to be set in stone rules.

1: When responding to another person's email, please quote only the portion to which you are responding as a way for everyone else to know who/what you are responding to. Do not send the entire post back through the list. Please remember to remove the advertisements at the top and bottom of the e-mail and leave the “nick” or “By” line so the author of the original email maintains credit for their words.

2: If your only response to a post is a "Great post!!" "thank you" "high five" type of thing, please send it to the person privately.(Unless the list is slow)

3: If your only response to a post is a one liner or a joke, please do not copy the entire post you are responding to, and copy only the joke you are playing on. And please consider sending the one liners privately rather than to the whole list. One liners are certainly not banned here, but I do ask that you use discretion in sending them. If the list is real busy, consider sending the one liner privately instead.

4: If your response changes the subject of the original post, please change the topic of your email. For ex: someone posts asking for a URL..change the topic to say requested URL or some such if you reply with the requested URL. This makes it easier for people to identify old threads from new ones, read only topics that interest them, and generally use their e-mail time more efficiently..

5: If your post is off topic please state so in the topic line, so those who do not wish to read it can easily identify and delete it. (fiction, poem, off topic..whichever applies)

To post to the list send email to: sub_den@yahoogroups.com (You have to be on the list to post to it)

To be removed from the list do one of the following:

1: email any moderator privately and ask to be removed (please include the email address you are subscribed under)
2: go to http://groups.yahoo.com, sign in, and unsubscribe yourself there
3: send a blank email to sub_den-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
It MUST be sent from the e-mail address you are subscribed under.
4: Email all the moderators at once by sending a request to sub_den-mod@yahoogroups.com and one of us will remove you

The email addresses for the moderators are as follows:

Raven Shadowborne (raven{Az}) ravenshad@knology.net
Aylissa Cair (ayli) ayli@knology.net
Dragon Shadowborne (lil`dragon, dragonshad) dragonshad@cox-internet.com
His_Rhyme (ryhme) his_rhyme@yahoo.com

Please allow 72 hours to pass before assuming moderators are ignoring you. Our real lives are quite busy as most of us have either jobs, kids, or both and sometimes it is difficult to get to everything at once. Please be patient, we will respond as quickly as we can. Thank you!

Some topics are against the Terms Of Service for Yahoo. I do not ban those topics from discussion, however I will remove the entire topic’s thread when the discussion ends to prevent the group being deleted without warning.

Please bear in mind yahoo’s posting guides and terms of service so we can all continue to enjoy the list and not be surprised by a complete list deletion. Thank you!
Yahoo Groups Guidelines: http://groups.yahoo.com/local/guidelines.html
Yahoo Groups Terms Of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Welcome to the list, I hope you enjoy it.
Moderators of sub_den

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